1 (edited by Marcos Sun, 03 Feb 2013 10:05:42)

Topic: Capsule supplements any good ?

My mom has lost nearly 20 kg/50 pounds since this ordeal started. I've just bought this book "What to eat if you have cancer" (which was a great read BTW) and it tells a lot about the supplements that should be taken when someone is dealing with the disease. I had already bought a "general" multivitamin supplement, in which one capsule is supposed to give 100 % of the daily need for different vitamins. However, my mom is still much weaker than when she started taking it. I know that's normal considering the tumor's progression, but I wonder if I can do something about it. So my questions are:

- do you think the multivitamin capsules are less effective than other forms (like powder or shakes) ? Perhaps they're not absorbed as easily, I don't know... so far she's had no problem taking them, at least.
- since she has difficulty absorbing any nutrients, should I give her two capsules instead of one ? Or is there a risk of overusage that could, for instance, overstress her kidney or cause nausea ?
- has anyone tried concentrated digestive enzymes (the book mentions Metazyme and Similase) ? Are they any good ?

Though I do fear we're near the endgame (mom is sleeping really a lot today, but it's been raining non-stop so even I feel like taking a nap ;-) ), I don't want to give up hope just yet, specially considering that improving her food intake through supplements should not be too risky.

Thanks a lot for your help,
Marcos

Re: Capsule supplements any good ?

Marcos...I hope for others to chime in also, but I can comment on the enzymes.  Enzymes aided my husband in the digestive process while he was consuming foods.  The weight loss you are describing is indicative of this cancer (and other cancers) because food consumption slows down significantly, as well as that other biological changes occur.

Although, I let my husband dictate the type of food wanted, I made sure to that his diet contained large amounts of proteins and plenty of calories.  He ate small meals spread throughout the day and in order to aid the digestive process, he took small walks.  At times he preferred to drink shakes such as Boost.  Unlike some did not encounter any problems with dairy food he did however stay away from greasy foods.  The later was related to the reduced bile production.  He also took 3 enzyme tablets prior to each meal.

At one point though, I let him eat whatever his heart desired.   

Hugs,
Marion

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Re: Capsule supplements any good ?

Hi,
Protein is the foundation for energy if a patient cannot take fat and carbohydrate such as sugar.
At this stage of the game,vitamins and enzymes may not be as important as protein to provide the patient enough calories  in take to sustain the minimum requirement of his/her current health status.
Protein shakes  such as boost, ensure and others will have some essential vitamin included in the formula. soy base product like soy milk or bean soups are other liquid protein choices.
God bless.

Please know that my personal opinion is not intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. If  provided, information are for educational purposes.Consult doctor is a MUST for changing of treatment plans.

Re: Capsule supplements any good ?

So sorry to hear about your Mom.

I used to make a smoothie out of soy milk/tofu or Greek yogurt/flax seed/wheat germ and frozen berries (sometimes a little honey too)  in the blender.

They told me that upping my protein was crucial (especially going through chemo) and this had a really high amount of protein and tasted better then boost etc.

Good luck.
-Randi-

Survivor of cholangiocarcinoma (2009), thyroid cancer (1999), and breast cancer (1994).

My comments, suggestions, and opinions are based only on my personal experience as a cancer survivor. Please consult a physician for professional guidance.

Re: Capsule supplements any good ?

Thanks a lot for the answers guys, always very good information !

In the end I decided to bring mom to the hospital, since she was so distant, with her eyes closed all the time, even while being awake, and refusing to take any solid food. First exams have diagnosed some kind of infection and declining kidney function.

I'm now really in doubt if and when she should get an IV infusion. I've just read an article which says that they're counterproductive for people in their last days, but I'm not sure if she has reached this stage yet. Anyway it's pretty scary to see things happening so fast - 20 days ago she was still walking, albeit slowly, and now she looks like a ghost.

Thank you so much for your support !

Re: Capsule supplements any good ?

Marcos...you made a good decision by taking your Mom to the hospital. 
Please, keep us posted - we care.
Hugs,
Marion

THIS INFORMATION IS NOT INTENDED NOR IMPLIED TO BE A SUBSTITUTE FOR PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL ADVICE. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS SEEK THE ADVICE OF YOUR PHYSICIAN OR OTHER QUALIFIED HEALTH CARE PROVIDER

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Marcos,

I am praying for you and your Mother.

Hugs,
-Pam

My beautiful daughter, Lauren Patrice, will live on in my heart forever.

My comments, suggestions, and opinions are based on my experience as a caretaker for my daughter, Lauren and from reading anything I can get my hands on about Cholangiocarcinoma. Please consult a physician for professional guidance.