Topic: Just for interest...

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Hi,
As long as the herbal medicine used in a complimentary way, it is ok.
As solo for treating cancer, at this point in time, the answer is no.
The reason is simple, herbal formula commonly use more than 10 herbs or more,it is very difficult to isolate the ACTIVE ingredient or even the active compound to provide proof of benefit even from one herb, not to mention 10 or more herbs. BTW, this is not my own understanding but similar assessment  had been voice out by a friend of mine who was the Dean of  Chinese herbal medicine at the  Chinese university in Hong Kong  not long ago. He is now the dept. head of pharmacognosy (study  of natural plants ) in the States.
In addition, it is difficult to obtain the real herbal plants for use.
God bless.

Please know that my personal opinion is not intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. If  provided, information are for educational purposes.Consult doctor is a MUST for changing of treatment plans.

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may be a bit controversial: herbalists have long found out that very often the whole plant/herb gets a better result than the use of only the extracted active ingredient(s). So far there has not yet been an explanation for this mechanism.
I can only mention my own experiences in treatment of animals (and myself). Of course there is a difference in the treatment of animals and humans but since a lot of tests are still done with different species of mammals very often the results can be transferred to a certain point.
With a combination of three different plants (1 chinese root, 1 south american root, seeds from 1 common european plant) angionesis inhibiting effect could be reached in a pony with a soft tissue tumor. The tumor (which was growing fast before treatment) has been dormant now for more than 5 years. I did not mention the names of the plants/herbs because scientists have found out that one of them does work completely different in other types of cancer such as osteblastic lesions which are triggered in growth whereas the anti-angionetic effects seem to be limited to soft tissue tumors.

My own (very small) tumor (which is not a CC) has been kept at bay with the same combination for 17 years without any other treatment and has since shown no signs of change. This might be coincidence or sheer luck of course.

So what I am trying to say is that each individual is different. In many cases the use of herbal medicine in combination with chemotherapy might be the best approach, but I do believe that in some cases the results of herbal medicine (if not only extracted active ingredients are used) can be very good.
Problem is that so many doctors just don't know much about herbal medicine, they are not even able to advise you that certain spices should be avoided when taking painkillers which thin the blood.

4 (edited by PCL1029 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 07:56:45)

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Hi, Susanne,

I am glad that you like to use  Chinese herbal medicine ; the following link may help you if you are interesting to use herbal medicine for CCA.

http://www.cholangiocarcinoma.org/punbb … 200#p44200


Also, due to the research and development of new method to deliver the most common Chinese Herbal medicine in the last 10 years , manufacturer most of them using western methods transform most herbal roots and plants,seeds and leaf into medicine granules formulation and dispense as such in most Hong Kong hospitals and pharmacy that prescribe Chinese Herbal medicine, the reason is simple to use, standardization and quality control. And that will be the trend for the future.
Here is the link below

http://www.cholangiocarcinoma.org/punbb … 172#p64172

God bless.

Please know that my personal opinion is not intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. If  provided, information are for educational purposes.Consult doctor is a MUST for changing of treatment plans.

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Thanks, Percy.
Hugs,
Marion

THIS INFORMATION IS NOT INTENDED NOR IMPLIED TO BE A SUBSTITUTE FOR PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL ADVICE. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS SEEK THE ADVICE OF YOUR PHYSICIAN OR OTHER QUALIFIED HEALTH CARE PROVIDER

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thank you, Percy, interesting links!

Problem is - as you mentioned in one of your postings - very often that one needs to make sure that the quality of the drugs is good and that they are not contaminated.

Many herbs (not only Chinese ones are powerful) can be grown in the garden or the vegetable plot (having my problems to grow them to maintain our supply on an island in the North of Scotland though).
Unfortunately CC is such an aggressive cancer that time dictates to buy the supplies.
I usually try to get the things I can't grow via Germany where the pharmacists are controlled by laws and have to make sure the herbs supplied do meet certain standards. For some a doctor's prescription is needed.
But this way I can avoid the risk of getting herbs of doubtful origin.

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Hi,
I think we may have a misunderstanding between herbs and " Chinese herbal medicine" practice  or the Eastern style of herbal medicine practice in the Far East  including Japan' Kampo practice ,South Korea,Taiwan and down to Singapore. "Chinese Herbal Medicine " is a generic name refers to the practice itself. The herbal medicines usually contain barks of plants,stones of different metals ,skins and body parts of animals,leaf and seeds,fruits depending on different regions ,climate and time of harvest.
I can only say one thing, lisence or law will not ensure you will get the real thing from some Far East suppliers, there are a lot of look a likes  out there.But if you can grow them,then it is a different story.
God bless.

Please know that my personal opinion is not intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. If  provided, information are for educational purposes.Consult doctor is a MUST for changing of treatment plans.

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Hi Percy,
not necessarily a misunderstanding. I know what you mean and I know that the Chinese approach is different to the one herbalists/phytotherapists chose.
It's far more complex.
They do have something in common which is the holistic understanding (hope this is the right word, might sometimes have problems since I am German and English is not my first language).

Anyway because the Chinese herbal medicine is far too complex and one might need some experienced person to guide you I have chosen the other approach many decades ago and decided to study phytotherapy with a focus on traditional herbs (was surprised that many plants considered to be weeds are so useful).

Licence or law is no guarantee that you get the proper stuff but it is somewhat reassuring that there are some regulations and tests (of course there will always be black sheep) what I meant was this http://www.edqm.eu/en/european-pharmaco … nd-50.html

9 (edited by PCL1029 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 07:35:53)

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Hi,
The theory  and principle of using traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) practitioner to treat patient is the balance of (Yin and yen) or ( cold and hot ) of the entire body . And that is why Chinese herbal medicine is complex and require experience TCM practitioner(TCMP) for diagnosis and treatment.
I do not believe  TCM is a holistic approach  . There are a lot of info on the web about holistic medicine and  TCM practice people can find out their  difference .
Different cultures have their different traditional medicinal formulas to treat various illness and proven to be useful too.
EU pharmacopoeia is similar to the USP( USA pharmacopeia ); if you look closely, the standard is  for Medicine & the raw materials to compound the medicine only. And not for food like all the herbals plants, seeds leaf that you can buy in a grocery store, at least it is in the States herbal medicines are classified as food and nothing else.
The purpose of this long discussion is not for myself but for those who would come later to explore this topic again , like you in the future.
Thanks for the discussion and I will stop here with regard to this subject matter.

God bless

Please know that my personal opinion is not intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. If  provided, information are for educational purposes.Consult doctor is a MUST for changing of treatment plans.